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latest of the women found in cleveland, and along with jodi arias' guilty verdict. and tomorrow, more details from cleveland. a disturbing story. jada pinkett smith will be with us tomorrow. anderson cooper starts right now, see you at midnight. >> piers, thanks. good evening, everyone, it's 10:00 here on the east coast. we have a lot of breaking developments here in cleveland. there's a lot of developments that have stunned the people that live in this area. jodi arias is speaking out as her lawyers prepare to fight for her life. arias said she would rather die than serve a life sentence. but the question is does she mean that or is she trying to manipulate the jury. and authorities have released the 911 dispatch call that sent the police to 2111 seymour avenue. >> i have a female on the phone
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who said she has been kidnapped ten years ago and at the location now. the code one account is 0149-0149. >> is she still on the line? or did she hang up? >> she is still on the phone right now. she is saying that the male is ariel castro, a 52-year-old hispanic male who lives at 2207 seymour, and he has been holding her for ten years. >> the others in the house -- jor gee -- georgina dejesus might be in this house, we found them. also. we found them. we have a female who has a young child with her.
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>> make it two. we also have a michelle knight in the house, and i don't know if you want to look that up in the system, but 32 years old. >> you can hear some of the cries in the background, some of that audio. new video just released that was shot today at the cleveland justice center of ariel castro, the owner of the house, charged with three cases of kidnapping and rape. police say that they will not charge his brothers in the case. there are a lot of new details about what life was like for the last ten years. pamela brown joins me now. what are you hearing from the sources? >> we're hearing that ariel castro would test the girls. over the span of the decade, he would aet tempt to leave the house, and stick around to see if they would attempt to flee. we don't know the extent of how he disciplined him, but we know
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he did that to instill fear. on monday we're hearing from sources that amanda hit her breaking point. somehow she knew castro had left the house and she used that opening to escape. >> it is known where they were kept in the house all of this time? >> we know they were kept in separate areas in the basement, and that most of the time they weren't together, but that they still at times were able to rely on each other as one source said rely on each other for survival, and they were take oen n to the garage in a couple of times at least. any idea? >> amanda ran out of the house on monday but the other two women stayed in the house. we don't know why, but it's safe to assume talking to experts here that they were fearful and that you have to think about it. this is a decade that they have been trapped in this house. all of a sudden the door is open. you never know how you're going to react in that situation. >> we're going to talk do some
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experts and one woman who has been through the same thing, held captive for a long period of time. about the psychological impact this can have and how quickly one can be dependent on the captor. we will hear more of that. today also we had much needed joy, a lot of joy. two of the rescued women. gina and amanda berry went home. amanda arrived at her sister's home, escorted by authorities in a van. it pulled up behind the house, and well wishers from the neighborhood cheered from the street. berry was obviously missing for a decade and she gave birth to a child inside of the house and that child is now 6 years old. gina was greeted outside the home she has not been in since 2004. she gave a little thumb's up and whisked inside of the house. she was just 14 years old when she vanished and now she is 23.
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imagine what it is like stepping inside of that door. we are joined by a friend of the family who was there, and tell us about what it was like to be inside of that house? >> thank you for having me. >> what was it like to be in that house? >> joy, happiness, everyone was smiling, and it was a normal life. >> did you think this day would come? >> i was out there helping in the search for her. my god, i never -- it was like an angel that came down from the sky and brought her out. >> how did she seem? >> she seemed happy. >> happy to be home? -- it is like an angel came home from the sky. >> i don't want to invade your family or privacy, but how did she seem? >> happy. happiness. happy to be home. ate ice cream, and people was happy and everybody in shock. >> it has to be a reminder of how important it is to keep the hope alive, and in those dark
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days when other people were giving up hope, you and other family members were out there. >> i was out there hustling and on the rail road tracks for nine years, ten years. i have been with felix, and keeping him up, and push, push to the finish line. >> he is a great guy. i met him. he kept this family together. >> yes, he kept the family together, and he is a fighter. >> yes. >> and gina is a big girl, and she is a lady. she's an angel. >> all right. >> and she is a fighter and stronger than you and stronger than me. >> i don't doubt that to get through that. >> i will tell you one thing, it is up to god, and god is number one. it is jesus christ and like i go the church everyday on sundays and i pray for the people everyday. >> i know this is a family of strong faith as well that helped them get through this. thank you, william, for being with us. give our best to everybody. william burgos.
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just ahead, we have video of ariel castro who was grilled by police on a traffic stop, and we will show you what happened in the encounter and would it have made a difference if he had been arrested a at this time. and now just hours after being convicted of murder, some surprising statements after what she is saying and possibly playing a game? mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down
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he saw running from across the street. that is what got his attention. . >> i heard the girl scream, saw him run across the street. i went outside, wondered what he was doing, and amanda say, i'm stuck in here, help get me out. so he -- either don't know english that well or panicked. he just looked at me and it was like a girl. that is all and i here i come with my half-eaten big mac. and i say, what's up? >> that other man was angel cordero. here's what he has to say about what happened. >> translator: i looked toward the front door of the house where the kidnapping was. i saw that woman screaming, asking for help. she couldn't open the door, i looked over. i went to ask her if the house was on fire. she said, no, i've been kidnapped for ten years. and so i pulled the door but it was locked with a chain. i tried to open the door, but i couldn't, so i gave it a few kicks. if you see, the house has two doors. she opened the inside door, but
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the glass door, the one on the outside that's the one that had the chain. so when i tried to open the door, it had the chain and i couldn't open it up, but i kicked it. several kicks underneath, she managed to escape from underneath the door. she remembered the little girl and went back inside the house, she took the girl and came out. when she came out with the girl i said, let's get out of here, if that guy arrives, he's going to kill us. if he finds me here, he's going to kill me, he'll kill you. she cross ed the street and cam across the street and use the lady's phone. if that lady hadn't managed to come out to the door, the kidnapping would have continued for years. >> two neighbors who helped end the nightmare in the house taking place behind me. tonight we are hearing for the first time charles ramsey's 911 call. >> cleveland, 911, police ambulance and fire. >> hey, bro, i'm at 2207 seymour
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west 25th. check this out, i'm just came from mcdonald's, right? so i'm on my porch eating my little food, right. this broad came out, and she said that her name was linda berry or some [ bleep ], and you know what i mean, bro -- >> sir, sir, you have to calm down. what street? >> seymour. >> is she still in the street or -- >> i am looking at her. right now she is calling y'all on the other phone. >> white black or his panic? >> she is white, but the baby look hispanic. >> and what is she wearing? >> like a little wife beater, sweatpants. >> do you know the address she was was in? >> 2207. >> i thought that was your house? >> no, i am smarter than that,
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bro. i am telling you where the crime was, not my house. >> how do you spell your last name, sir? >> ramsey, r-a-m-s-e-y. >> are there other people out there in the house? >> i don't know, bro, i was just came from mcdonald's. can you ask her if she needs a ambulance? she needs everything, bro. she's in a panic, bro. she's been kidnapped. >> we'll send the police out. >> cleveland's police chief said charles ramsey deserves a reward, a lot of people, a lot of good people here helping out. local leaders are praising them for their efforts as they should be. earlier i spoke to cleveland's city councilman about what he's been hearing about what happened inside that house. what else have you heard about
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the investigation? >> well, i just heard about an hour ago, that apparently a report of the incident has been leaked. i've not been able to read the report, i don't have a copy of it. but from what i gather from talking to this source there's some things that have been clarified in the report that we've been hearing from confidential sources within -- i guess i'd call it the official employees that have dealt with the victims. particularly once they were saved and then in transport to the hospital. i think a lot of it deals with the conditions. i know the miscarriages have come up in the rumors of that. it is apparently been confirmed that there were multiple miscarriages, that the physical duress they were put under actually caused the abortion of children, you know? it's pretty gruesome and pretty savage. >> local media had been reporting based on local law enforcement sources they had yesterday. where is the information you have coming from now? >> i've been told by a source
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that i have, that actually has copies of a report that some of this type of information in fact is contained within the report. very graphic and detailed information. >> i believe earlier in the day you said something about the birth of amanda berry's child, the circumstances of it? >> we know from several sources that michelle knight -- it she was forced to assist with the birth and it okccurred ostensibly within a small pool of some sort, and that miss knight was actually threatened with her life relative to the success of that birth. >> if amanda berry's child was not born successfully, it was michelle knight's fault. >> yes. this is our worst fears that 24, 36 hours ago of only imagine in
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the horrors and the savagery rof the mental and the physical duress they have been put under. >> there's some criticism of missed opportunities. >> i question it. we all question why it's taken this long. to find them. and for them to escape. a few things i can point out on the physical aspects of this layout. these two properties that are before that crime scene, they've been vacant for a long time. >> they're boarded up as well. >> when you hear this guy's windows were boarded up on the ground floor, it sounds unusual, but when you see two houses next to it are also boarded up. >> in terms of the complaints, we have a robust police dispatch system. when the calls come in, they're logged in. could there be human errors, sure. i'm confident in the police's abilities when they confirm that there's only been two or three calls from or about that address. the problem with that is, people
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may have called, if they didn't give the address, get proper information it would have been logged incorrectly. we run into this all the time when residents call about issues. if they're not using common sense protocols, it won't get recorded. >> councilman, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. the cleveland police chief said ariel castro has waived his miranda rights, and he has been sharing details. here hee is at the cleveland justice system. he is facing four counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape. his brothers will not be charged in the case. ariel has been stopped by the police in the past. martin savage has obtained video of him being grilled in 2008. it's fascinating to see this tape. >> it is. let me give you a bit of background on it. this is dashcam video, it's taken from what is supposed to be a routine traffic stop,
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would have been a routine traffic stop except for the person stopped is ariel castro, and we know according to the authorities at the time that he has three women supposedly prisoner in his home. take a look at the video, it's rolling video that comes from the police car. about 8:30 in the evening. the officer rolling along. he notices that a motorcycle whizzes past. you see it real quickly. what he notices and you don't in the video, is that the motorcycle had a license plate that looked suspicious. he pulls into the gas station and pulls the man over. here's where it gets interesting. the conversation, how polite castro seems to be. how nervous he seems to be. there may be a very good reason for that. listen to the interaction. >> let me see your driver's license? >> excuse me? >> let me see your driver's license. >> what's wrong? >> first off your plate is improperly displayed. it has to be left to right and not sideways or upside down. the other question is, why are you riding it?
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you don't have a helmet on, a license. you're subject to being arrested. is that what you want? >> no, sir, i don't. he doesn't want that to happen, because he's a school bus driver, which he brings up. . the officer wrote him two tickets and let him go. the last the officer saw of him was castro pushing his bike the mile home to seymour. and that is where the women were being held. >> if he had been arrested what would have happened to the women inside. >> that's the haunting question. i asked the officer, he said, you know, he's glad he let him go, for this reason. had he taken castro and locked him up, then what he thinks is that those women and now a newborn child at that time, would have been in that home without food, water and no one knew that they were there. >> you grew up in this area, spent a lot of time there. you know the impact that -- the disappearance of these women had on this area. >> yeah.
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i did. i come back and forth, and i knew and followed this story, the whole community was wrapped up. that police officer, he had gone out on searches for these women and here he was talking to the man who had them. it was personally felt, and deeply felt and it went on for years. >> it is extraordinary the connections between the kcastro family and the dejesus family that ariel -- excuse me, regina dejesus was best friends or close friends with ariel castro's daughter. >> this is going to bring up what everybody is talking about, the missed opportunities and were there missed opportunities. they talk about the law enforcement, and did they miss the connections there? and did the families miss connections and did the neighborhood not see things quite how they were. >> and ariel was on "america's most wanted" talking about the disappearance of her friend.
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>> and the uncle was out there looking for her, when the son had him. >> and there were articles written that referenced regina's mother. so many question, and there is so much more that we don't know what these three women have been through and we won't know until the stories come out, but we want to look at the psychology that often develops between the kidnappers and victims. we have heard of the syndrome, and we want to talk about how quickly that relationship can happen. also, we want to talk about jodi arias who is found guilty of murder charges. she spoke on camera right after that verdict, and we will is that for you.
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interesting statements tonight from jodi arias, moments after a jury found her guilty of first-degree murder in the death of her boyfriend travis alexander. ted rowlans has the report. >> do you find the defendant as to count one, first degree murder guilty? >> jodi arias had very little reaction in the courtroom to the guilty verdict. but minutes later, she did an interview with phoenix television station ksaz. arias says she understands why the jury didn't believe her, because of the lies she originally told investigators. but she maintains that she didn't plan the murder of her ex-boyfriend travis alexander. >> there was no premeditation on my part. i can see how things look that way. but the whole time i was fairly competent i wouldn't get premeditation, there was no premeditation.
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>> she also said she hopes the family of travis alexander will be able to find peace. when the verdict was read, his sisters broke down with emotion. >> they're happy, we'd rather have travis back, but we can't have travis back, so with that said, this is a good day. >> jodi arias is eligible for the death penalty. she says she hopes that's exactly what her sentence will be. >> the worst outcome for me would be natural life. i would much rather die sooner rather than later. longevity runs in my family and i am healthy and i don't smoke, and i would live for a long time, so that is not something i am looking forward to. i said years ago that i would rather get death than life, and that is true today. i believe that death is ultimately freedom, and i would like to have my freedom as soon
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as i can get it. . >> ted rowlands joins me live from phoenix. the same jury begins the next phase, right? >> yes, a two-pronged penalty phase. can the state of arizona move forward with the death penalty? if they say yes to that, it will be up to these men and women. whether or not jodi arias will be sentenced to death. >> we don't know if she was trying to manipulate the jury with reverse psychology, but it seems like prison officials are at least taking them seriously. >> yes, right after that interview, right here in maricopa county, sheriff joe arpaio put her on suicide watch. at least for now, she's on sicide watch in the maricopa county jail.
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>> appreciate the reporting. joining me now, mark geragos who is co author of mistrial. also, former l.a. deputy district attorney marcia clark author of "guilt by degree." mark, your reaction to this verdict, you've been saying all along the defense was focused on making sure jodi arias isn't given the death penalty. what happens now? >> i think all they were doing all along, was trying to get the jury to not give her death. and this is not unexpected. in fact, it's interesting. they had on the verdict form the ability to say premeditation, felony murder, or felony murder and premeditation. and they split 7 to 5 on that. i think they're leaning right now toward not giving her death. but frankly, i understand what she's saying. i mean, if you're in her position, you'd rather have death. you -- what's the point of getting life without -- you don't get all of the automatic appeals or the death penalty
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apparatus, and it makes sense to me, but ultimately, the verdict was completely expected. >> mark, some are saying she was using reverse psychology, she really wants life in prison. she thinks that maybe the jury will punish her as harshly as possible, and give her what she doesn't want. is that true? >> well, you can have a double-reverse psychology. i don't understand why she would want life without. she loses all kinds of benefits by not being a death penalty or sentenced to death penalty. frankly, i have had these case, and the clients have always told me, i'd rather have the death penalty rather than life without patrol for a variety of reasos.s you get more resources when you are sentenced to death. it is part of the reason that the death penalty apparatus or machi machinery is broken in america, and why this case was such an exaggerated form of it, and kind
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of a hyperbolic example of the death penalty machinery being broken. >> marcia, this next phase starts tomorrow for the defense. is it all about trying to find one juror who does not want to give her the death penalty? >> at the very least, that. now they're moving into the aggravation phase where they're going to show proof of cruelty, that's what will justify a death penalty verdict. whether or not they can persuade 12 people, this will be their crucible now. of course, it does have to be unanimous. if they don't have a unanimous verdict, a unanimous jury saying it is cruel, they won't wind up in the penalty phase and they have to declare a mistrial and convene a new jury that will vote simply on the panenalty, a on whether the aggravating fact of cruelty is shown. >> how do you go about that?
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>> do you track down her third grade teacher that said she did nice things or something like that? >> yes, and the family and things like that, but they have frontloaded this. the entire guilt phase of this case, from, you know, watching from the outside, i see it is designed to save her from the death penalty in my opinion. putting her on the stand for that period of time. and 30 years i have been doing this and i don't know if marcia has seen anything like this, but i have never seen a defendant be on the stand for 17 or 18 days, and it is unheard of from my per spec specktive, so they were always looking for the penalty phase of this case, and, you know, i think that they probably will prevail on that. if she does get the death penalty, there is a perverse logic to it for her. from her standpoint, she gets kept under much better circumstances if she's sentenced to death than if she gets life without. >> marcia, do you think she'll
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go back on the stand during this phase? >> she can. anderson, if i were her lawyer, i would not let e her back up. 17 days is unprecedented and mark is right, i have never heard of a defendant being on the stand for that length of time in a case like this. but they could put her back on if they believe she could do herself some good or show some remorse or something that the jury has not seen. i don't believe she can, so that is why i would not put her up there. i don't want the jury sitting there examining the fact that she can't show remorse, and she may pop out with something like, you guys didn't believe me, but i really didn't premeditate, which will only make the jury angry. i think it's a dicey move, but the family, but the mother on, the sister on. that usually helps to humanize the defendant. >> i think the fact that she gave this interview to the local station tonight, i think that's calculated on her part. when she says e she wants death
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and doesn't want to live. i have longevity in the genetic history so to speak, that is calculated on her part. >> it did not seem certainly something that the lawyers wanted her to do. >> exactly. >> sorry. i think that the lawyers were arguing about that. >> do you see that often, giving an interview immediately after giving a conviction, have you seen that before? >> never. i have never heard of it, i'm surprised the sheriff's let her do it. that's what shocked me. what are you doing? what is going on? you remember the show "chicago." this is feeling like chicago all over again. and now she's going to be famous and -- >> and marcia, remember who the sheriff is in this county, who is -- in my opinion a complete clown. so, you know, that's a whole different issue. >> we can gone that one for like hours. . >> yes. okay.
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another time. mark geragos and marcia clark, thank you for being on. >> sorry. >> no worries. as we reported at the top of the program, two women who did not flee when they were held captive. the question people always ask in this situation. why didn't they run, if there were opportunities why not? the reaction was not unusual. i am an american success story. i'm a teacher. i'm a firefighter. i'm a carpenter. i'm an accountant. a mechanical engineer.
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as crowds gathered outside the dejesus family this afternoon, waiting for gina to return they warmly greeted her with cheers and balloons. it is day that so many had prayed for and worked hard for. no doubt it was a day some people never thought they would see. gina's father never gave up hope. >> i'm the one that kept this family together. i'm the one that had the heart and soul to fight to see this day. because i knew my daughter was out there alive. >> as it often happens, a lot of people wonder why the women couldn't try to escape. as we reported at the top of the program, we learned from authorities that when amanda berry made her getaway, the other two women could have run out, but they chose not to. the decision to stay reflected
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their state of mind. sources say they were brainwashed in a sense, fearful from their years in captivity. that reaction was not unusual. it even has a name. we're learning more and more about what can happen and how quickly it can happen. relationships between a captor and a captive. here is randi kaye. >> reporter: kidnapper and victim, a relationship that can be one of the strangest and strongest in human psychology. and it may be just what the three girls kidnapped in ohio relied on to survive. >> it's a very primitive, almost child-like attachment that develops. they come to know that their very survival is dependent on keeping this person happy and satisfied. >> reporter: chris mohandy has studied cases involving stockholm syndrome. he says kidnapping victims like those in ohio bond with their captors in a matter of days. stockholm syndrome got its name during this bank heist in
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stockholm, sweden in 1973. when the hostages were freed, they kissed and hugged their captors and two refused to testify against them. perhaps the most famous case involving stockholm syndrome is patty hearst. the newspaper heiress was 19 when she was kidnapped in 1974. she was imprisoned and sexually assaulted an later robbed a bank with the caps or the and remained on the run with them for more than a year. >> you come to a point where you believe any lie that your abd abductor will tell you. >> reporter: in cases like this people ask why didn't they run, escape? they must have had the chance? our expert says, the victim is usually so overwhelmed by the situation, they're unable to strategize. they feel powerless and feel if they anger their captor it could mean death. for 18 years, jaycee dugard was held captive by a sex offender. locked away in a secret backyard
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shed. he forced her to have two children with him. >> it is a fake little family, but it is a necessary illusion that she has to have in order to live day to day. >> reporter: dugard spoke about it with diane sawyer on abc. >> the mind manipulation. plus the physical abuse i suffered in the beginning. there was no leaving. >> elizabeth smart, kidnapped from her utah bedroom in 2002 never tried to run either. she was found after nine months. shawn hornbeck who vanished in 2002 in missouri stayed with his captor, too, for more than four years even though the police say he was free to sleep outside and even sleep at a friend's house. for all of the victims, escaping the monsters who took them isn't nearly as easy as it may seem. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta.
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>> joining me now is laura cowans who counsels victims of this type of violence. she was a victim of herself. held controlling by a polygamist husband. she was held in a garage at one point for six months, i spoke to her earlier. joining me now is laura callon. she was a captive herself for four years, controlled by a polygamist husband. she was put in a garage for six months, can you explain what makes somebody stay? because that's the question so many people sometimes don't understand. >> i know. so many people ask, why do women stay? i'm quite sure the women were threatened, i was threatened. he probably threatened them, the child. family members if they left. >> law enforcement says there were beatings he would do trial runs where he would leave, pretend to leave, if it looked like he tried to get out, he would surprise them and beat them? >> definitely. that happened to me several times on the victims like that,
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they go through a survivor mode. you know what i mean, i think it's called stockholm syndrome, where they relate to the captor and really they're just trying to stay alive. >> people sort of accept their new circumstances. >> that's a psychological trauma. they see there's no hope. post-traumatic stress disorder. i'm surprised and glad the girls made it out alive, a lot of women do not make it out of situations like this. >> you finally, started writing letters, keeping close notes about all the abuse that was happening to you. and the guy who was keeping you took you to the post office and you slipped a note to the postal worker. >> exactly. i started writing those notes that i had a bad feeling i wasn't going to make it through. at least if someone found me they would find the notes on my body. when he took me to the post office i was able to slip it to her. she made eye contact with me, i made eye contact with her. she knew something was wrong.
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>> this is critical, because as these situations emerge, people had suspicions. with shawn hornbeck, people asked him, are you sean hornbeck? and he would say no. >> people need to get involved if they have a suspicion. thank god for mr. ramsey, he got involved, he helped them girls get out. he could have turned an ear, they would have still been in there. >> that's really critical. and getting -- you built a new life. >> yes. >> do you -- that process is a long time. >> yes, and even with the girls, because we went through intense therapy, with me and my children and it took me a long time to use my voice and come out to talk to other women, and when i did, i saw it was helping, and i started to volunteer with the different organizations, and so it was a healing process for me. >> thank you, laura. >> thank you, mr. cooper. >> thank you, with that amazing story.
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there aren't many people who can grasp what the three rescued women in cleveland are facing as they try to move forward with
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their lives after their ordeal, but one of the people who can is shawn hornbeck. he was kidnapped in missouri in 2004 and he was captured and held for four years. in 2007 was found along with another abducted boy. after they were found gina's parents were interviewed. gina had been missing for three years then. >> it is a miracle that they found these two young boys. i cried almost all night. >> that gives us all of the other parents now more hope. to stand up stronger. and never give up that hope. never. because, you never know. >> well, they never gave up hope, and today, gina is home with her family, and i spoke with shawn hornbeck today.
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and i agreed to never ask him about what happened in captivity out of respect for his privacy and the recovery, and i also spoke with his parents. when you heard that gina's family had hope after your rescue. >> it shows that people are watching and my story has really touched some people in ways we could hope that it did, and it makes me feel happy. >> pam, how important is it, and how important is it to keep hope alive while your child is missing? >> for me it wasn't all that difficult. i always felt like i had that connection to shawn. i always told myself that if he had passed on or something bad had happened to him, i would know it and i would feel it, and never got that. also, too, when you are in a situation like we were in, you oo either decide that you are going
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to be on the dark side or the light side, and i chose to make sure that we stayed on the light side. >> shawn, i heard some people talk about, how when someone goes through something like this, an abduction of this nature, of this kind of length, that some people may never recover. you say you don't believe that. talk to me about that. >> well, it really depends on the individual and how much support they get. from day one, my family was there for me, to let me know that i was safe and i was okay, and i had nothing to worry about no more. to me, that's what helped me out the most, was knowing that i had their support and everything was going to be okay, and i didn't need to burden myself with it. >> craig, i remember in interviews after shawn returned, you said that it it is important to kind of let him talk to you in his own time. is that something that you would recommend the parents of these young women that the family members of these young women that the peppering with the questions is not the way to go about it? >> oh, yeah, absolutely not. try the refrain from discussing anything related to the case.
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our feeling is, that's going to make them withdraw more. if they're not ready to talk about it, they may not want to be around you, because they're afraid you are going to bring up something they're uncomfortable with. when they reach the point that they're ready to talk about it. they will let you know and talk about it. it is one day they are going to walk up to you and say, you know, i'm sure you have some questio questions, and if you want to sit down to talk about it, we can. we know that is one of the things that happened with us. we cautioned everybody. friends, family, even the media, not to throw out all those questions. we know everyone's curious and everyone wants answers, but now is not the time. answers will come, there's no rush. it's been ten years, we don't need to learn all these details tomorrow, maybe never. only when they're comfortable talking about it. should they come out with it.
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>> how are things now, shawn. how is your life now? >> my life now is pretty fantastic. you know, i work a 40 hour a week job. just your standard 21-year-old. got my bills that i pay, nothing real special. >> he says that he's nothing special. but -- in our eyes, and i'm sure in a million other people's eyes he is special. i do -- i am proud of what he has accomplished since he has been home. and that's one reason why we're doing all these interviews. is to let other victims out there know that there is life after this. you can go on, you can feel that love again. you can feel that trust. and for the families that are still out there of missing children. it gives them hope that their child may be gone for a year, two, four, ten, you just never know, but they can also too come home. >> there is light at the end of the tunnel for some families out there. pam, shawn and craig, i appreciate talking to you. thank you for taking the time.
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>> thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> it's hard to imagine the mental torture parents go through with their children missing for years. in 2003, shawn hornbeck's parents went on the montel williams show to get information from a self-professed psychic sylvia brown. >> here we go again with the wooded areas. southwest of you. >> is there any landmarks around? >> yes, strangely enough, there are two jagged boulders which look really misplaced, because everything is trees and all of a sudden you have these stupid boulders are sitting there. >> he can be found there? >> he's near the boulders. >> is he still with us? >> she said he was dead. years ago, amanda berry's mother turned to sylvia brown on the montel williams' show for help and again she told a mother of a
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missing child that she was dead. >> don't think i'll ever see her again? >> yeah, in heaven. >> we know that sylvia brown was wrong. she released a statement today saying, for more than 50 years as a spiritual psychic and guide. when called upon to help authorities with missing person cases, i've been more right than wrong, if ever there was a time to be grateful, this is that time. she could have put out a statement saying, i have no shame whatsoever. we will be right back. you make a great team.
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that does it for this > outfront next. breaking news with the latest in cleveland, ohio. how a man was able to keep three women captive for more than a decade. what we're just learning about that suspect. we have exclusive new video of ariel castro shot just after he was interviewed by police today. and a verdict comes down in the jodi arias case. why she has been put on suicide protocol. we're live, let's go out front. good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. we begin with breaking news out front. following two breaking news stories. live tonight. in phoenix, hearing from jodi arias for the first time since


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